We have a rule at Shepherd Law Group: we won't try to talk you out of firing an employee. I believe that once a manager has made the difficult decision to fire someone, the relationship with that employee is already irreparably broken. At that point, it would be a mistake to try to talk the manager out of it. Instead, our advice would focus on how to do it the right way and minimize the risk of an expensive lawsuit.
We also have a corollary to that rule: we won't try to talk you into firing an employee. For all good managers, firing someone is a very difficult decision, not to be made lightly. Instead, we will advise the manager on how best to handle the situation, and wait until he or she comes to the termination decision naturally.
But that said, there are seven deadly workplace sins — seven capital crimes — that require the firing of an employee. They are:
- Workplace violence
- Dishonesty
- Theft
- Criminal activity
- Insubordination
- Sexual harassment, if it's serious or willful
- Discrimination, if it's serious or willful
The first four are obvious and self-explanatory. As for the fifth, insurbordination, I mean it in the real sense of the word. Flippancy is not insubordination. (If it were, I would be unemployable. On second thought, maybe that's why I have my own firm.)
I'm sure there will be grumbles over the qualifiers I placed on the last two, sexual harassment and discrimination. Employers should take both of these very seriously. But there are degrees of harassment and discrimination, and termination might be overkill for boorish behavior that lacks malice and that could be cured with training.
What do you think? Do you agree that these are capital crimes in the workplace? Have I forgotten any? Leave your comments below.
I love a good challenge! What about disloyalty? I can think of some huge examples like disclosure of trade secrets (think recipe for Coke). Or perhaps breaching client confidentiality (to use an example from our field)?
Posted by: Philip Miles | 23 August 2009 at 08:30 PM
I think disloyalty is a good one, Philip. Would you say that disloyalty is a binary thing — you either acted disloyally or you didn't — or are there degrees of disloyalty, as with discrimination and harassment? I'm inclined to say that it's all or nothing, making it the eighth deadly sin.
Posted by: Jay Shepherd | 23 August 2009 at 09:12 PM
There are so many grey areas. Would moonlighting - working on projects similar to the employers areas of service for private clients a. outside work hours and b. inside the office during work hours resort under dishonesty?
Posted by: Wil Hart | 24 August 2009 at 02:45 PM
Insubordination? INSUBORDINATION?
Pray tell, what is the "real sense" of that word you speak of?
Are you proposing that any employee who dares disagree with their boss about anything, as long as they to it in a non-flippant way, not only can but MUST be fired?
That sounds more like a Dickens reenactment than a viable gruntling strategy.
Posted by: Henning Makholm | 25 August 2009 at 07:38 AM
I think you're either disloyal or you're not... that's not to say there aren't situations I'd have trouble categorizing though!
Posted by: Philip Miles | 25 August 2009 at 08:47 PM
Top Post!!
Posted by: Sameer Panchangam | 26 August 2009 at 11:52 AM
6 Sexual harassment, if it's serious or willful
7 Discrimination, if it's serious or willful
I do have to say I have a problem with the caveat "if it's willful." Mostly because I think it's too easy to argue that a series of minor discriminatory or sexual harassment incidents were not "willful" when they add up to a pattern, but it's a pattern that supervisors or management don't want to see so they excuse perpetrators by saying "they didn't mean it, it wasn't willful."
Also, could bullying make the list here or just plain harassment of co-workers (of the non-sexual/non-discriminatory kind)?
Posted by: MG | 27 August 2009 at 11:15 AM
How 'bout a simple "yes" I agree!
Posted by: Diane M. Pfadenhauer, SPHR, Esq. | 28 August 2009 at 10:46 PM
Bullying is epidemic in the states, schools finally started put protections in place so they can't get sued so easily. They don't really care about bullying itself, the teachers, and adults in general can be some of the worst. The hands project comes to mind. Of course bullying can span the range of discrimination through various forms of harassment, all the way down to serious health issues that result from constant stress in the workplace. Dishonesty I would disagree with, managers can lie to the workforce, it's not against the law in any way, shape, or form, especially in governmental work.
Posted by: www.google.com/accounts/o8/id?id=AItOawmmwvRDWV3Hkf4i2hxs58OP65Ce6b-DQXk | 08 September 2009 at 12:29 PM
One suggestion and one comment. First, the comment. I worked for a bully. And he bullied me until I was fired. I wasnt the only person he bullied, just the only person who fought him with HR, Compliance, COO. The majority of the your deadly sins are torts, bullying is not. However, unchecked this behaviour can cross over the line into a variety of torts, especially when there have been numerous complaint by many employees. If the employer had been coaching this person and the behaviour continued then INSUBORDINATION is the proper category for a bully. Bullying is the epitome of being unprofessional and insecure.
Which brings me to that suggestion. You mentioned you try to respect the wishes of your clients who made a decision to terminate because usually the relationship is beyond repair. In my situation HR wouldn't give me the time of day to discuss the false or fabricated information provided by my former manager. That manager is usually working with human resources to terminate. My suggestion is to encourage educating your clients' human resources teams the value of risk management. HR would benefit in learning to invest equal time in reviewing facts objectively from both parties perspective. Because sometimes the problem is the manager and not the employee.
I warned my former employer that people are a creature of habit and pattern. Until they commit to change. Ergo, they should expect similar complaints about my former manager. They received four more and all from new team members with whom I never worked. Thank goodness I printed all my emails and live in the state & county who recently awarded the highest settlement for retaliation. Oh, the manager was demoted, eventually.
M
p.s. Happy belated birthday!
stay tuned -my next job could be lecturing to employers on my experience.
Posted by: m | 27 December 2009 at 01:18 AM